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[Gezinha 121]

Do you guys believe those undocumented citizens who have been caught on DUI charges (over 21), robbery, assault, domestic violence, people who owe child support, arrested for drug possession, should have the chance to stay in this country? These people have had an incrdible opportunity to come to this country, work, be productive, have a better future, and yet, they are on the streets, consciously doing all these things. I said DUI over 21, because after 21 you "own your own nose", you should know better than to be driving drunk, especially if you don't have a license. Do you think we should have to wait in line with all these people? Or should they, depending on their situation, be immediately discredited for doing these things and sent back because they had their chance? What do you think about our fellow undocumented citizens who make bad choices and will be trying to beat the system to take advantage of the new law that will pass? (Hopefully it will pass)

Not to mention that we are mostly "criminals" as well, for entering the country and faking work papers, and sometimes even out name and age. Do you believe we should all pay a penatly for the wrong things we have done in order to become citizens of this country?

Do you believe it is fair to be put in line with people who have not complied with the law as well as we have (with a few exceptions, above)?

This is just for discussion sake you guys, not trying to be racist, or demeaning or anything. This is a great forum, and a hope it will stay that way...let me know what you guys think, because I am trying to write an article based on this. Thanks a lot.

[Laste31 41]

Well I think everybody is going to pay a penalty no matter what I mean it's always been like that. Now if you have committed any of the things you listed above I think that if they do pass the law there are going to be requirements like the ones on DACA or maybe a bit more strict. So depending on the requirements many people won't qualify and I don't think it'll be fair if those people get it at the same time as others that haven't committed any crime other than work illegally.

[msminci 6]

I think it should be on a case by case basis. For example, an 18 year old gets a dui , the law passes and they are now 30 and have stayed out of trouble. I think everyone is entitled to one mistake but then again their cases should be behind those cases that have a clean record. Its a tough one....

[pswa83 302]

i do believe that it should be a case by case basis. however, after i certain age, ( i think it's about 8 to 10) one needs to be accountable for their actions. whether a person is over the age of 21 or under the age of 21 and gets a DUI, should know better regardless of age.

i also think those who are already "in-line" and have no criminal record should be processed in front of those who may have a record. serious criminal records should exclude those from applying for CIR.

the one thing i do not agree with is the whole "back taxes" aspect of CIR. i mean, for those who have worked, whether under a false SSN or paid in cash, they should pay taxes, (if they haven't already). but for those who havent worked, why should those be punished for not breaking the law?

[Jose_Gee 27]

I agree with msminci. Although we all share some similaraties every case is still different and should be review in it's own special way. No matter what, technically we've all

broken the law one way or another. Using false documentation or illegally being in the state. But one thing I do believe is that if we're early childhood arrivals and you've been in this country and have been productive, an asset to this country, followed the laws as any citizen or resident does and have faught to get an education and achieve your American Dream then you shouldn't be punished. We had no say in being brought into the country, the struggles we've had to endure to reach where we're at today are/were tough. So there's no reason why I believe we should get a penalty or be punished. Now, of course there's situations in where some around us have commited crimes, gotten DUI's, ect. I do believe some of these cases should be looked at a bit more rigurous. Remember, it only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch. The last thing we want is the finger pointed at us for others actions. I think I write a lot lol, I apologize. Just my two cents.

[kayej87 28]

Honestly speaking from experience there were times I wanted to best the shit out of people for messing with me but I had to remember that I'm undocumented and sooner or later it would catch up to me so I took myself out of the situation...once you get to a certain age you know right from wrong .they should know that the government does not look at them the same way so they should be careful Wat they do....now if some one messes with my kid the wrong way I will have no problem taking my punishment lol

[Gezinha 121]

Thank you guys so for your opinions on this. It is really gonna help me out with my article. Keep posting if you want to add something, please.

Let's get approoooooved!!!

[Jose_Gee 27]

Thank you guys so for your opinions on this. It is really gonna help me out with my article. Keep posting if you want to add something, please.

Let's get approoooooved!!!

I believe something like this isn't something to take lightly. Through the hard work and devotion of many we've been granted this opportunity. In all honesty, there are some circumstances

in which I believe that one should be eligible. Take your example, someone who made a mistake and got a DUI when he or she was 18 and is now 27 and is applying for the DACA. I believe

that if in that time spand the person has matured and has shown to become a productive member of the community then I believe they should be granted the DACA. Obviously if they continue

on a bad path they should be denied. Now, in approving those with a past history I believe that there should be a zero tolerance rule that would revoke your DACA if you commit any crime.

Thus preventing people from taking advantage of this great opportunity that has finally been available to those of us who want to make the most of it. Again, just my two cents.

[splif0clock 89]

Bob once said "Who are you to judge the life I live? I know I'm not perfect - and I don't live to be - but before you start pointing fingers ... make sure you hands are clean!"

As an Illegal Immigrant who have lived in the US illegally for the past 14 years, I have no say about who should get citizenship or not. I am a human being and I know I make mistakes, so I will not make a statement about who should and shouldn't get there papers because of a petty crime they committed in the past. The way USCIS is handling past criminal history for DACA applicants sounds reasonable to me, and I am sure those same people who came up with the requirements, went through a rigorous steps to come to that conclusion. I will not question it at all !

As for your, " DUI charges (over 21), robbery, assault, domestic violence, people who owe child support, arrested for drug possession" reference, I would counter it with this -> "Creating, forging or altering almost any document, for the intent of fraud or making money, is considered forgery and is subject to state and sometimes federal laws and penalties for individuals caught forging federal documents". From what I am understanding, the crimes you listed and the crimes you, others, and I, have committed are more incriminating than the ones you stated for your example because we forged a federal documents. Enough said ......