Senators Agree On Path To Legal Status For Illegal Immigrants

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WASHINGTON — Eight senators who have spent weeks trying to write a bipartisan bill to overhaul immigration laws have privately agreed on the most contentious part of the draft — how to offer legal status to the nation's 11 million illegal immigrants.

According to aides familiar with the closed-door negotiations, the bill would require illegal immigrants to register with Homeland Security Department authorities, file federal income taxes for their time in America and pay a still-to-be-determined fine. They also must have a clean law enforcement record.

Once granted probationary legal status, immigrants would be allowed to work but would be barred from receiving federal public benefits, including food stamps, family cash assistance, Medicaid and unemployment insurance.

The group's current draft is largely in line with President Obama's call to set a pathway to earned citizenship as part of a broader immigration reform package, as well as with recent efforts by prominent Republican lawmakers to resolve an issue that hurt GOP candidates in November's election.

Though the draft is a long way from becoming law, immigration advocates expressed guarded optimism about a possible breakthrough.

"Nine months ago, people would have thought you were nuts to say that four Republicans and four Democrats were working on a way to legalize 11 million people," said Angela Kelley, an immigration expert at the Center for American Progress, a think tank with close ties to the White House. "It's a Rubik's Cube, but more sides are matching in color than ever before. That's significant."

Still undecided is how long illegal immigrants would need to wait before they could apply for permanent resident status and eventually become citizens. The delay for a green card probably would be 10 years or longer, the aides said.

Also unresolved are such politically charged topics as how many visas to issue to high-tech specialists and other guest workers; how to keep track of when visitors leave the country; and how to pay for more Border Patrol officers, fencing and other security measures in an era of shrinking budgets, the aides said.

The eight senators met Tuesday and Wednesday, alternating between a private office in the Russell Senate Office Building and a marble-floored ceremonial room off the Senate chamber.

The group had hoped to deliver a completed bill to the Senate Judiciary Committee for consideration before the Senate leaves for Easter recess on March 22. But aides said remaining issues required more technical advice and cost estimates that could delay delivery until early April.

The group includes Republican Sens. John McCain of Arizona, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Marco Rubio of Florida and Jeff Flake of Arizona. The Democrats are Sens. Charles E. Schumer of New York, Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, Robert Menendez of New Jersey and Michael Bennet of Colorado.

The draft bill will be several hundred pages long when finished. For now, the unfinished pieces are peppered throughout the draft.

"We're working through them. I'm not sure we'll get them all done," McCain said in an interview. "Some of these issues are very controversial."

Business groups and Silicon Valley companies have pushed for more H1B visas for software engineers and other high-skilled employees, for example, while labor unions have warned that too many immigrants would undercut qualified Americans seeking high-tech jobs in a weak economy.

Unless the group designs a visa program that ensures a robust labor force, Rubio told reporters, "What you're going to have is people coming into the country illegally or overstaying visas."

Immigration overhaul bills floated in 2006 and 2007 were sunk by disagreements between labor and business leaders over how many workers to allow into the country. Some senators are skeptical that the current group can find a solution.

"The country can absorb only so much low-skilled labor without significantly impacting the prospects of working Americans to get jobs and get higher pay," said Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), a member of the judiciary panel who has been critical of previous efforts to expand the visa program.

In an effort to resolve the issue, negotiators from the AFL-CIO and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce have worked with Senate staffers to set a formula so the number of visas for both high-tech and low-skilled workers can fluctuate. They have agreed that the tally would move up or down based on job demand, unemployment rates and other data.

"We're really trying to fill in the details," said Ana Avendano, an AFL-CIO negotiator.

The two sides have agreed that a work visa need not be tied to a specific employer and that foreign workers would be allowed to change jobs. Unions want assurances that foreign workers have the same rights as Americans to report mistreatment to the Labor Department and to sue employers for unpaid wages.

Unlike in the past, both business and organized labor want an immigration bill to pass, said Eliseo Medina, secretary-treasurer of the Service Employees International Union, which represents more than 2 million workers.

"No one wants to be responsible for deep-sixing the effort," Medina said.

Negotiators also have hit a roadblock on whether the government should keep track of who is leaving the country and how to do so.

Under current law, U.S. immigration authorities do not keep a record when tourists and other foreign visitors leave the country. So the government doesn't know whether they have overstayed their visas, as thousands do each year.

The Senate group has tentatively agreed to create a system to check visas against an immigration database at international airports and seaports but have not determined whether it is feasible at much busier border crossings. The task is potentially huge: U.S. borders with Mexico and Canada are the most highly trafficked in the world, with 250 million crossings each year.

Some lawmakers warn that checking visas as people leave the country would be expensive to implement, further clog busy border crossings and slow crucial commerce.

Muzaffar Chishti, director of the Migration Policy Institute at New York University School of Law, said the real legislative battle over immigration would come after the bill was made public.

"We haven't even begun to see the opposition to the bill," Chishti said. "Because there isn't meat on the bone."

Source: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-immigration-hurdles-20130311,0,1484422,full.story

[pswa83 302]

dont think this says anything that we dont already know.

[Rawf 336]

Have to agree with PSWA83 on this one.

require illegal immigrants to register with Homeland Security Department authorities, file federal income taxes for their time in America and pay a still-to-be-determined fine.

Those who have been ignoring taxes for years because they are "illegal immigrants" are going to have a very hard time unless they are wealthy enough to afford all those taxes owed to the IRS.

[pswa83 302]

when we do the biometrics, isnt that, in a way, registering with DHS. i mean, they have our fingerprints and all our info, what else do they want? and what would "registering" with DHS entail exactly?

also " filing federal taxes for their time in America", how would that work for those who havent worked at all?

let's say, it will be $2000 for federal taxes for every year that you have been in the US illegally. that would mean that i would have to pay $60,000 in federal taxes for my time of being in the US ilegally. and that's on top of the fine that will also be issued.

things need to be more defined before anyone gets their hopes up about anything of this stuff.

OK, LET ME SAY THAT THE SECTION IN BLUE IS JUST A WHAT IF. THAT IS NOT WHAT WILL HAPPEN. I DIDNT HEAR IT FROM ANYONE OR READ IT FROM ANYWHERE!!! IT IS JUST A WHAT IF!!! JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR!!

[skootA 10]

well i would not be paying all this money.. and i been here for 22 years ... i only have money save up for my lawyer and my forums .. if they pass this bill

[Rawf 336]

when we do the biometrics, isnt that, in a way, registering with DHS. i mean, they have our fingerprints and all our info, what else do they want? and what would "registering" with DHS entail exactly?

also " filing federal taxes for their time in America", how would that work for those who havent worked at all?

let's say, it will be $2000 for federal taxes for every year that you have been in the US illegally. that would mean that i would have to pay $60,000 in federal taxes for my time of being in the US ilegally. and that's on top of the fine that will also be issued.

things need to be more defined before anyone gets their hopes up about anything of this stuff.

That amount of taxes owed is unreal, no one in the middle class would be able to afford such amount. The question you asked is interesting, how would it work for those that haven't worked? How would it work for those working under the table?

This is going to be interesting to find out.

AND, isn't DHS the one who processes the e-verify?

[Gezinha 121]

They are dreaming if they think anyone is going to to pay up that amount. I have done my taxes, except for 2 years at my first job with a different name, I have done it all, every year. Except if they have been here for 3-5 years, no one is going to fork over 10-100K, no way dude. I don't know if you guys heard, but apparently, their "path to citizenship" is to have us be here for 10 years, because the first 5 we will be just waiting, and then 5 years later, a green card, and then another 5 years later citizenship. So, 15 years...and this law won't come out until 2015, so, it will be 2030 before I have citizenship? This is very inefficient. I am not saying it should be easy because others are waiting to be legalized before me, and other are traying to come here legally, but 15 years, seriously? And if other people like pswa83, will be in debt to the country 60,000...do u really think if they had that kind of money they would still be here? That is absurd, they are STILL trying to make us second class citizens, slaves, they want us to take care of the countrie's debt, a country that we can't even call ours!

This is slavery reloaded, they want us to pay up, pay up, no problem, we can pay a fine, pay a reasonable amount for taxes, but no person can just give that amount of money to the government out of the blue, 2,000 is just way too much for each year. If everyone did their taxes each year this wouldn't be a problem now, would it? But how are we all supposed to do taxes with the white men's law like a big ass rock on the way to any path we want to take? Those of us who pay taxes, they use our tax money in country, and we never see it at the end of the year because we have no way to claim it back. And those of us who work getting paid under the table, fine, pay up your dividend. Not 2,000 obviously!!! That is ridiculous for a year, this is just going to amount more debt to the new citizens this country will have.

[pswa83 302]

exactly, E-Verify and Biometrics is THE way of tracking immigrants.

i think there is going to be a lot that is going to stop people from applying for CIR. when ever it comes out. the cost. the amount of the fine. the whole back taxes issue. criminal record, etc....

They are dreaming if they think anyone is going to to pay up that amount. I have done my taxes, except for 2 years at my first job with a different name, I have done it all, every year. Except if they have been here for 3-5 years, no one is going to fork over 10-100K, no way dude. I don't know if you guys heard, but apparently, their "path to citizenship" is to have us be here for 10 years, because the first 5 we will be just waiting, and then 5 years later, a green card, and then another 5 years later citizenship. So, 15 years...and this law won't come out until 2015, so, it will be 2030 before I have citizenship? This is very inefficient. I am not saying it should be easy because others are waiting to be legalized before me, and other are traying to come here legally, but 15 years, seriously? And if other people like pswa83, will be in debt to the country 60,000...do u really think if they had that kind of money they would still be here? That is absurd, they are STILL trying to make us second class citizens, slaves, they want us to take care of the countrie's debt, a country that we can't even call ours!

This is slavery reloaded, they want us to pay up, pay up, no problem, we can pay a fine, pay a reasonable amount for taxes, but no person can just give that amount of money to the government out of the blue, 2,000 is just way too much for each year. If everyone did their taxes each year this wouldn't be a problem now, would it? But how are we all supposed to do taxes with the white men's law like a big ass rock on the way to any path we want to take? Those of us who pay taxes, they use our tax money in country, and we never see it at the end of the year because we have no way to claim it back. And those of us who work getting paid under the table, fine, pay up your dividend. Not 2,000 obviously!!! That is ridiculous for a year, this is just going to amount more debt to the new citizens this country will have.

i've also read what the "path to citizenship" entails thus far, and the 8 to 10 yr waiting period would be for those who do not fall with in 3 categories:

1.) have a relative Petition already on file

2.) are a farm worker

3.) are an approved DACA applicants.

thos falling into those 3 categories would have a wait time of about 2 years to be a PR then would need to wait another 5 in order to apply for citizenship.

all those who do not fall with in those 3 catergories, will need to apply for the special visa, wait the 8 to 10 yrs, then apply to AOS to a PR, then wait another 5 yrs to apply for citizenship after becoming a PR.

this, in my opinion seems fair to all those involved.